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		<title>By: Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoy the discussion that encourages you to go and investigate for yourself.

Let&#039;s pass on the real motivations of the protesters and whether or not the military should advertise itself to those under 18 just for a moment and talk about the &quot;law&quot; the protesters say the U.S. government is violating.

The very first thing that bothered me was the terminology &quot;optional protocol&quot;. How many laws are &quot;optional&quot;? Well the U.N. defines that phrase for us on its website: A protocol is ‘optional’ because it is not automatically binding on States that have already ratified the original treaty; States must independently ratify or accede to a protocol. 

http://www.unicef.org/crc/files/Definitions.pdf 

The U.S. did sign and ratify it several years later (under the present administration) with no reservations (http://www.unhchr.ch/pdf/report.pdf). If you click the link, notice how many and which countries did NOT sign and ratify the protocol - the actual meaning of which is an order to States to not arm and force children (under 18) into hostilties.

Very few Middle Eastern (including Iran, Iraq, &amp; Israel) countries signed it (at least by 2004) and I think it&#039;s fair to say many (perhaps most) &quot;third world&quot; countries did not, esp. those in Africa - where children are routinely used in armed conflicts in some areas.

So the &quot;law&quot; written to keep children out of armed conflicts was pretty much only signed by those countries who do not use children in armed conflicts or think they will never need to (looking at you here Israel).

ATTENTION ALL THOSE WHO FEEL RAPE IS WRONG!! PLEASE SIGN THIS PIECE OF PAPER STATING YOU WILL NOT RAPE. YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FORTHWITH! everbody else who like to rape, or think they might,  go about your raping - have a nice day  :wink:  

And always read the fine print. The &quot;S&quot; means they signed it but never ratified (that means &quot;approved&quot; kids) it - for example, Russia.

Those 20 protesters in SF would have done far more good for humanity and impressed me morally had they gone to any of the non-signatory countries&#039; embassies or consolates and protested, particularly those with a history of arming children. Instead, they basically threw shit on America and protested an out-of-date video game. Rah fucking rah! Power to the people! Yeah!

To finish this blog o&#039;mine on a humorous note, you have to love the Brits. Here&#039;s their addendum to the protocol: The United Kingdom understands that article 1 of the Optional Protocol would not exclude the deployment of members of its armed forces under the age of 18 to take a direct part in hostilities where: - a) there is a genuine military need to deploy their unit or ship to an area in which hostilities are taking place; 

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/treaty17.htm 

For you special ed students, that means  &quot;we&#039;re agreeing to not send children into armed conflict unless we need to&quot;.  :twisted:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoy the discussion that encourages you to go and investigate for yourself.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s pass on the real motivations of the protesters and whether or not the military should advertise itself to those under 18 just for a moment and talk about the &#8220;law&#8221; the protesters say the U.S. government is violating.</p>
<p>The very first thing that bothered me was the terminology &#8220;optional protocol&#8221;. How many laws are &#8220;optional&#8221;? Well the U.N. defines that phrase for us on its website: A protocol is ‘optional’ because it is not automatically binding on States that have already ratified the original treaty; States must independently ratify or accede to a protocol. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.unicef.org/crc/files/Definitions.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.unicef.org/crc/files/Definitions.pdf</a> </p>
<p>The U.S. did sign and ratify it several years later (under the present administration) with no reservations (<a href="http://www.unhchr.ch/pdf/report.pdf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.unhchr.ch/pdf/report.pdf)</a>. If you click the link, notice how many and which countries did NOT sign and ratify the protocol &#8211; the actual meaning of which is an order to States to not arm and force children (under 18) into hostilties.</p>
<p>Very few Middle Eastern (including Iran, Iraq, &amp; Israel) countries signed it (at least by 2004) and I think it&#8217;s fair to say many (perhaps most) &#8220;third world&#8221; countries did not, esp. those in Africa &#8211; where children are routinely used in armed conflicts in some areas.</p>
<p>So the &#8220;law&#8221; written to keep children out of armed conflicts was pretty much only signed by those countries who do not use children in armed conflicts or think they will never need to (looking at you here Israel).</p>
<p>ATTENTION ALL THOSE WHO FEEL RAPE IS WRONG!! PLEASE SIGN THIS PIECE OF PAPER STATING YOU WILL NOT RAPE. YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FORTHWITH! everbody else who like to rape, or think they might,  go about your raping &#8211; have a nice day  <img src='http://news.filefront.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>And always read the fine print. The &#8220;S&#8221; means they signed it but never ratified (that means &#8220;approved&#8221; kids) it &#8211; for example, Russia.</p>
<p>Those 20 protesters in SF would have done far more good for humanity and impressed me morally had they gone to any of the non-signatory countries&#8217; embassies or consolates and protested, particularly those with a history of arming children. Instead, they basically threw shit on America and protested an out-of-date video game. Rah fucking rah! Power to the people! Yeah!</p>
<p>To finish this blog o&#8217;mine on a humorous note, you have to love the Brits. Here&#8217;s their addendum to the protocol: The United Kingdom understands that article 1 of the Optional Protocol would not exclude the deployment of members of its armed forces under the age of 18 to take a direct part in hostilities where: &#8211; a) there is a genuine military need to deploy their unit or ship to an area in which hostilities are taking place; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/treaty17.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/treaty17.htm</a> </p>
<p>For you special ed students, that means  &#8220;we&#8217;re agreeing to not send children into armed conflict unless we need to&#8221;.  <img src='http://news.filefront.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif' alt=':twisted:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ManOfTeal</title>
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		<dc:creator>ManOfTeal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captain obvious says, &quot;The game is clearly endosred by Uncle Sam himself, one would be ignorant to think that there is no military propaganda involved.&quot;  

As to whether or not the game targets 13 year olds....and by that right this game, to a typical 13 year old, should be the same as playing any other first person shooter.  Plus you cannot join the armed forces until you are at least 18 years old and by that time you should be mature enough to make your own decisions.  And I would hope that a logically thinking individual would not base a life decision on what they experienced in a video game.

Go Marlins!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captain obvious says, &#8220;The game is clearly endosred by Uncle Sam himself, one would be ignorant to think that there is no military propaganda involved.&#8221;  </p>
<p>As to whether or not the game targets 13 year olds&#8230;.and by that right this game, to a typical 13 year old, should be the same as playing any other first person shooter.  Plus you cannot join the armed forces until you are at least 18 years old and by that time you should be mature enough to make your own decisions.  And I would hope that a logically thinking individual would not base a life decision on what they experienced in a video game.</p>
<p>Go Marlins!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Sines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Sines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Norbit: Ok, I understand your position but its not a same/same training method any more than Wii Sports baseball is like real baseball. Does it glorify military training? possibly.. is it a recruiting tool? Admittedly. Why shouldn&#039;t the Army be able to recruit young men and women who are interested in military service? Its the same argument that has been made for years that games are training people to kill.. murder simulators if you will.. 

Ii would argue that AA is also entertainment.. I don&#039;t know of a single person I&#039;ve met who joined the service because of a video game so I guess as a recruitment tool its pretty flawed.. as an awareness tool it seems to be doing the same job as the other games.

Personally I think if it encourages a young person to take the oath to serve to protect and defend their country this is a good thing. Excusing the politics of the current president and congress, why is encouraging national service a negative? Being a soldier is not something that makes you a killer.. that&#039;s Vietnam era hippie logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Norbit: Ok, I understand your position but its not a same/same training method any more than Wii Sports baseball is like real baseball. Does it glorify military training? possibly.. is it a recruiting tool? Admittedly. Why shouldn&#8217;t the Army be able to recruit young men and women who are interested in military service? Its the same argument that has been made for years that games are training people to kill.. murder simulators if you will.. </p>
<p>Ii would argue that AA is also entertainment.. I don&#8217;t know of a single person I&#8217;ve met who joined the service because of a video game so I guess as a recruitment tool its pretty flawed.. as an awareness tool it seems to be doing the same job as the other games.</p>
<p>Personally I think if it encourages a young person to take the oath to serve to protect and defend their country this is a good thing. Excusing the politics of the current president and congress, why is encouraging national service a negative? Being a soldier is not something that makes you a killer.. that&#8217;s Vietnam era hippie logic.</p>
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		<title>By: Norbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Americas Army was simply a game there would be no problem but it isn&#039;t. I think a lot of the people responding to this really haven&#039;t though it through by comparing this to other games  :roll: 

Americas Army is an official recruitment tool, COD and the other titles mentioned aren&#039;t. They exist purely for entertainment not to groom people into becoming soldiers.

The entire purpose of Americas Army&#039;s existence is to recruit people and as such its essentially the start of their military training. That&#039;s where the problem lies. Kids as young as 13 are essentially being trained and groomed by stealth by the US Army.

That is a fact. Whether it breaks any laws or conventions is highly debatable and I personally don&#039;t believe it does however it IS morally corrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Americas Army was simply a game there would be no problem but it isn&#8217;t. I think a lot of the people responding to this really haven&#8217;t though it through by comparing this to other games  <img src='http://news.filefront.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Americas Army is an official recruitment tool, COD and the other titles mentioned aren&#8217;t. They exist purely for entertainment not to groom people into becoming soldiers.</p>
<p>The entire purpose of Americas Army&#8217;s existence is to recruit people and as such its essentially the start of their military training. That&#8217;s where the problem lies. Kids as young as 13 are essentially being trained and groomed by stealth by the US Army.</p>
<p>That is a fact. Whether it breaks any laws or conventions is highly debatable and I personally don&#8217;t believe it does however it IS morally corrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: erathoniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>erathoniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, shall I point out, that people under 17 are not given a uniform and a gun and sent out to fight. Or do they not care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, shall I point out, that people under 17 are not given a uniform and a gun and sent out to fight. Or do they not care?</p>
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		<title>By: erathoniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>erathoniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Battlefield: Bad Company is &quot;T&quot;. Doesn&#039;t it do this also? What about Battlefield 2? Battlefield 1942 was practically a recruitment poster.

So, how do these fall in. The America&#039;s Army game is rated T because it doesn&#039;t have graphic content, but you do have to say you&#039;re 18 to play it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Battlefield: Bad Company is &#8220;T&#8221;. Doesn&#8217;t it do this also? What about Battlefield 2? Battlefield 1942 was practically a recruitment poster.</p>
<p>So, how do these fall in. The America&#8217;s Army game is rated T because it doesn&#8217;t have graphic content, but you do have to say you&#8217;re 18 to play it.</p>
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		<title>By: NinjaMuffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>NinjaMuffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man do these people have nothing better to do its just a fucking game</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>man do these people have nothing better to do its just a fucking game</p>
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		<title>By: Cichalid420</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cichalid420</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GTFO! If AA made people want to join the Army they already considered the military as a career option. Socom didn&#039;t make me want to join the Navy but it is and awesome game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GTFO! If AA made people want to join the Army they already considered the military as a career option. Socom didn&#8217;t make me want to join the Navy but it is and awesome game.</p>
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		<title>By: Handisnacks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Handisnacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, Call of Duty 4 is rated M, moron. Christ almighty you people are idiots. These protesters have a grade-A point here. The America&#039;s Army game SHOULD be rated M, not T.

The military has always tried to brainwash young folks though since the draft disappeared, this shouldn&#039;t be news to anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Call of Duty 4 is rated M, moron. Christ almighty you people are idiots. These protesters have a grade-A point here. The America&#8217;s Army game SHOULD be rated M, not T.</p>
<p>The military has always tried to brainwash young folks though since the draft disappeared, this shouldn&#8217;t be news to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Handshakes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Handshakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So when did advertizing for the military become illegal? I must have missed that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when did advertizing for the military become illegal? I must have missed that.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Sines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Sines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So America&#039;s Army militarizes people but CoD4 doesn&#039;t? I&#039;m speaking from experience when I say America&#039;s Army is nothing like actual military service and it does not prepare anyone for military service. 

I fell its false logic that we see applied to a lot of discussions about entertainment forms - especially gaming. Why would AA be any more a converter than say Left 4 Dead or Battlefield?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So America&#8217;s Army militarizes people but CoD4 doesn&#8217;t? I&#8217;m speaking from experience when I say America&#8217;s Army is nothing like actual military service and it does not prepare anyone for military service. </p>
<p>I fell its false logic that we see applied to a lot of discussions about entertainment forms &#8211; especially gaming. Why would AA be any more a converter than say Left 4 Dead or Battlefield?</p>
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		<title>By: Norbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They do have an interesting point. They are saying the military are basically grooming people for enlistment who are under enlistment age by training and &#039;militarizing&#039; them with the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They do have an interesting point. They are saying the military are basically grooming people for enlistment who are under enlistment age by training and &#8216;militarizing&#8217; them with the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddy "Tough" Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buddy "Tough" Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, they have a pretty damn strong point. This could be a problem...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, they have a pretty damn strong point. This could be a problem&#8230;</p>
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