AND please dont tell me Halo 3 is overrated, it hasnt even came out for you to judge yet. I know it may not score a 10/10 while microsoft boast it 11/10 just wait and see for yourself, its got a lot of great content that other games dont, just ehar it out, wait till 25th of SEPT, then think about it.

Steve, your supposed news article above and your and your boyfriend Jacob’s subsequent pathetic attempts to justify its specious claims are the only babbling here.

The only [human] mistakes made in this thread are ignoring the signs warning “Do not feed the Troll”.

The same thing could be said for those that purchase or rent the DVD of a movie or watch it on pay-per-view or normal television. Sure households sometimes share a purchase of a game or a movie. That phenomenon is not exclusive to video games, and actually is much more likely to be true of movies than games since movies have more universal appeal demographically. However, the cost of this game is at least six time the price of a movie ticket and likely at least three times the cost of the movie on DVD. So, even if a few people in one household shared a copy of the game, it still would not compare to the much larger number of those who view the movie using the many less expensive ways to do so in addition to purchasing a movie ticket.

“The layout of your sentences is convoluted.”

only to a simpleton like you

“A video game console is part of the video game industry…The video game industry is perfectly in the right combining those numbers.”

NO, it isn’t justified because the video game industry is aggregating its hardware and software revenue numbers and comparing them to only one facet of the movie industry’s “software” revenue, i.e. movie ticket sales. If the video game industry wants to make a truely fair comparison, then it should aggregate the various software (movie ticket and DVD sales) and hardware (DVD players) parts of the movie industry’s revenue when making the comparison to its own numbers. To put it in simple terms even you should be able to understand, the video game industry is comparing the sales of all of its types of products to the sales of only one of the movie industry’s types of products. Therefore, the comparison is not a fair one for the movie industry, and it falsely inflates the video game industry’s size in the market.

“I’ve already shown that it’s not a bad thing”

You’ve shown no such thing except that you are a gullible fool.

“Steve’s argument was excellent.”

It’s only excellent to an idiot like you. Anyone without your bias and stupidity would see that he is simply shilling for the video game industry by obfuscating the real facts to give a false impression of its market size and importance. His statement above that “Video games are fast becoming THE media standard for entertainment” is simply a specious claim that is not supported by the true revenue figures for both industries.

“Yeah, but that wasn’t his point, captain ignorant.”

Actually, moron, he claimed it was his point after I pointed out why his figures are misleading and his conclusion from them stated above is wrong.

“Don’t insult people when they’re smarter than you.”

I don’t need to worry about that with you or him, dumbass, because both of you are certainly NOT smarter than I.

The same thing could be said for those that purchase or rent the DVD of a movie or watch it on pay-per-view or normal television. Sure households sometimes share a purchase of a game or a movie. Tnat phenomenon is not exclusive to video games, and actually is much more likely to be true of movies than games since movies have more universal appeal demographically. However, the cost of this game is at least six time the price of a movie ticket and likely at least three times the cost of the movie on DVD. So, even if a few people in one household shared a copy of the game, it still would not compare to the much larger number of those who view the movie using the many less expensive ways to do so in addition to purchasing a movie ticket.

“The layout of your sentences is convoluted.”

only to a simpleton like you

“A video game console is part of the video game industry…The video game industry is perfectly in the right combining those numbers.”

NO, it isn’t justified because the video game industry is aggregating its hardware and software revenue numbers and comparing them to only one facet of the movie industry’s “software” revenue, i.e. movie ticket sales. If the video game industry wants to make a truely fair comparison, then it should aggregate the various software (movie ticket and DVD sales) and hardware (dvd players) parts of the movie industry’s revenue when making the comparison to its own numbers. To put it in simple terms even you should be able to understand, the video game industry is comparing the sales of all of its types of products to the sales of only one of the movie industry’s types of products. Therefore, the comparison is not an fair one for the movie industry, and it falsely inflates the video game industry’s size in the market.

“I’ve already shown that it’s not a bad thing”

You’ve shown no such thing except that you are a gullible fool.

“Steve’s argument was excellent.”

It’s only excellent to an idiot like you. Anyone without your bias and stupidity would see that he is simply shilling for the video game industry by obfuscating the real facts to give a false impression of its market size and importance. His statement above that “Video games are fast becoming THE media standard for entertainment” is simply a specious claim that is not supported by the true revenue figures for both industries.

“Yeah, but that wasn’t his point, captain ignorant.”

Actually, moron, he claimed it was his point after I pointed out why his figures are misleading and his conclusion from them stated above is wrong.

“Don’t insult people when they’re smarter than you.”

I don’t need to worry about that with you or him because both of you are certainly NOT smarter than I, you dumbass.

Of course, you can also blame the media for enforcing this into our heads also. That is what I do, and why I try not to pay too much attention to what is being said about Halo 3. Yes, I am a big fan, and am very excited for it, but if I sit and think about how great it will be and what not, I will end up being bored with it before I even play it.

That being said, Humans should die.

“Good god, do I have to spell it out for you? My point it that despite Microsoft’s misleading prediction, Halo 3 will not be more popular than Spiderman 3. Not only that, but the number of people who experience Halo 3 won’t even be remotely close to that of Spiderman 3. Halo 3 will certainly be popular by video game standards, but by movie standards it would be a niche product. The video game industry likes to tout such misleading revenue figures like the one you published above verbatim without clarifying to portray itself as an equal player with movies in mainstream culture, but the fact is that it isn’t when you look at the actual number of consumers of each medium.”

Well, I don’t have much to say at this point. The only difficulties I find in your argument is that you do not take into effect the fact that Halo 3 will be played by more people than the people that buy the game. In movie ticket sales, one ticket does not stand for 2 to 4 people. With Halo 3, people in the same household playing the same game do not need a copy for each person. Many more people will “experience” Halo 3 than will actually buy the game. On a heightened scale of this, gaming centers buy 10 or 12 copies of games, yes, but hundreds of people can play the game there without buying it. There are so many ways of playing it without buying it that it’s not possible that one could say that Spiderman 3 reaches more people without knowing exactly how many people are playing Halo 3, not buying it.

“That is the real fallacy. The real factors which depress box office receipts are high ticket prices, uninspiring and derivative movies, and the rise in popularity of home theaters and alternative means of acquiring and watching movies. Video game playing isn’t a factor even in those analysts’ eyes as I wouldn’t characterize the playing of video games as an internet phenomenon nor as anti-social behavior any more than watching television is.”

I actually agree with you there, although not because it was well argued. The layout of your sentences is convoluted.

“It’s not irrelevant any more than saying that DVD makers are fated to the movie industry to deliver product for their players. The truth is that the video game industry inflates its revenue figures by including hardware sales to inflate its relative importance.”

A video game console is part of the video game industry. I mean seriously, even a trucker moving furniture is part of the furniture industry; it’s just a different department. What about a florist selling pruning shears? It’s still part of the industry. The video game industry is perfectly in the right combining those numbers.

“It’s a bad thing because it gives a false impression of actual game sales. If idiots like you believe that the traditionally slow month of July has game sales which are that good, you may presume that sales for successive months will be even better. And, if you put your money where your misguided head is, you may artificially inflate the stock prices of video game software makers on that erroneous presumption of revenue. Such running up of their stocks because of such misinformation could lead to a subsequent crash.”

I’ve already shown that it’s not a bad thing, it’s just saying that the video game industry is growing, not that only video games are.

“If you actually understood the rubbish you had reprinted, you would see why it was misleading and certainly needed the additional statistics to provide clarity and accuracy.”

Steve’s argument was excellent. Yes, it could have done well to give the stats he gave some context. It could also do well for you to develop some manners.

“That is exactly why if the point of your article was merely to state that one billion dollars is a lot of money, you shouldn’t have wasted your time on it, captain obvious.”

Yeah, but that wasn’t his point, captain ignorant.

“Wow, you are a real imbecile. No, I didn’t say YOU think so. I said Microsoft thinks so.”

Don’t insult people when they’re smarter than you.

Have a nice day.

Something tells me that Halo 3 isn’t going to do that seeing as they would have to sell nearly 15m copies @ $60 each. I think Microsoft are getting a bit carried away.

Hmm yeah. Spiderman has been around for over 42 years with over 700 titles, action figures up the yang, and 3 smashing blockbuster movies. The Halo franchise started when the video game was released November 2001 (nearly 6 years ago just to help you out with your adding) with a couple of books that were somewhat popular. I think any reasonable person can say that the popularity of Halo is doing pretty well in comparison to the Spiderman Empire and will eventually have more fans if you give it some time (i.e. another 35 years or so to build). Stop hating Phil, it does not do anything but make you look like an A-hole.

Good god, do I have to spell it out for you? My point it that despite Microsoft’s misleading prediction, Halo 3 will not be more popular than Spiderman 3. Not only that, but the number of people who experience Halo 3 won’t even be remotely close to that of Spiderman 3. Halo 3 will certainly be popular by video game standards, but by movie standards it would be a niche product. The video game industry likes to tout such misleading revenue figures like the one you published above verbatim without clarifying to portray itself as an equal player with movies in mainstream culture, but the fact is that it isn’t when you look at the actual number of consumers of each medium.

“If the impact wasn’t noticable, then box office analysts wouldn’t continue to blame the internet and anti-social behaviors of teenagers and young adults for the recession of ticket sales.”

That is the real fallacy. The real factors which depress box office receipts are high ticket prices, uninspiring and derivative movies, and the rise in popularity of home theaters and alternative means of acquiring and watching movies. Video game playing isn’t a factor even in those analysts’ eyes as I wouldn’t characterize the playing of video games as an internet phenomenon nor as anti-social behavior any more than watching television is.

“A breakdown like that is irrelevant to the whole picture. Developers and console makers are intrinsically fated. You can’t have one without the other.”

It’s not irrelevant any more than saying that DVD makers are fated to the movie industry to deliver product for their players. The truth is that the video game industry inflates its revenue figures by including hardware sales to inflate its relative importance.

“But, how is this a bad thing?”

It’s a bad thing because it gives a false impression of actual game sales. If idiots like you believe that the traditionally slow month of July has game sales which are that good, you may presume that sales for successive months will be even better. And, if you put your money where your misguided head is, you may artificially inflate the stock prices of video game software makers on that erroneous presumption of revenue. Such running up of their stocks because of such misinformation could lead to a subsequent crash.

“Do I really have to point out the obvious relationships here?”

No, because as usual you missed my obvious point which has nothing to do with that relationship.

“If you actually had any comprehension of what I had written, you would realize that I wasn’t focused at all on providing statistics or number breakdowns.”

If you actually understood the rubbish you had reprinted, you would see why it was misleading and certainly needed the additional statistics to provide clarity and accuracy.

“Even the simplest of minds can comprehend that 1 billion is alot of money to throw around.”

That is exactly why if the point of your article was merely to state that one billion dollars is a lot of money, you shouldn’t have wasted your time on it, captain obvious.

“Oh, so I work for Microsoft now, eh?”

Wow, you are a real imbecile. No, I didn’t say YOU think so. I said Microsoft thinks so.

And your point being? Whether 2.5 million copies of Halo 3 are sold versus 15 million at 1/6th the cost, at the end of the day it’s about how much money you liberate from the consumer.

“No, they aren’t because the two mediums aren’t really competing against one another for dollars. Relatively no one who buys Halo 3 is going forego seeing a movie they are interested in seeing due to the money spent on the game and vice versa. It might delay the spending on the movie or game, but it won’t replace it.”

Yes they are worlds apart, but the funds there are not unlimited. To say video games aren’t taking potential from the movie industry is a fallacy. People have limited time and money. If the impact wasn’t noticable, then box office analysts wouldn’t continue to blame the internet and anti-social behaviors of teenagers and young adults for the recession of ticket sales.

“That is extremely misleading as the box office figures don’t include DVD players or DVD sales.”

No, that $925 million figure is exclusively for consoles & video games. I made a simple concession that it’s a mixed figure. A breakdown like that is irrelevant to the whole picture. Developers and console makers are intrinsically fated. You can’t have one without the other.

“That increase may have much more to do with the recent console price cuts spurring sales than any surge in video game sales themselves.”

Perhaps. But, how is this a bad thing? If more consoles sell, guess what? More games sell. Guess who wins? Both developers & console makers. Guess who depends on who? Do I really have to point out the obvious relationships here?

“Thank you for that news, captain obvious. I don’t see anyone crying that the video game industry is on the verge of collapse although the MPAA does act like P2P file sharing is killing the movie industry.”

Nice try Trolly Trollkins. Trying to derail another thread with your pedantic rubbish I see.

“How about including that in the article next time to provide the whole story?”

If you actually had any comprehension of what I had written, you would realize that I wasn’t focused at all on providing statistics or number breakdowns. Even the simplest of minds can comprehend that 1 billion is alot of money to throw around. Again, you can’t see past the end of your Trolly nose.

“Microsoft seems to think it is by its specious claim that Halo 3 will exceed Spiderman 3’s opening day revenue.

Oh, so I work for Microsoft now, eh? See that question mark in the title? Believe it or not it actually has purpose. In your case, it seems to have taken on the role of hook.