And honestly, there’s no better company to make it, if NMA and DaC wanted it done their way… Personally, I mentioned Bioware could make a Fallout close to their liking on the NMA forums to which they replied ‘Bioware’s never made anything like Fallout!’ Hmmm… I tend to remember Baldur’s Gate playing almost the exact same way in a similar engine… Also, their new PC title, Dragon Age, is meant to be played in an isometric view, theough the camera is controllable.

Instead, it seems they want Obsidian to make it, but all I’ve seen from Obsidian are cheap, incomplete sequels to Bioware games and Alpha Protocol, a spay game that’s going to basically play the same way as Mass Effect and Bethesda’s Fallout 3… So, they seem to have a knack for contradicting their own ideas as well…

*sigh*

The good thing about this is, as a Fallout fan, if NMA’s ‘true’ Fallout ever gets finished, I’ll have two Fallout games to add to my collection. However that will depend on the amount of anti-Bethesda swill they put in their game.

Till then, hats off to NMA! You guys are still a bunch of Half-wit Emos, but I will benefit from you anyways by getting TWO new Fallout games! ^^

I’ve made a few games of my own with unskilled teams like this one and I can safely say they ALWAYS end up sucking. At least in my case we weren’t soiling a legitimate series. Bethesda has always made fantastic games. Someone (Black?) said that Fallout was meant to be isometric and some such nonsenese like that. The only reason Fallout was originally isometric is because that was the best layout for an RPG at the time. These days it is much more FUN and ENVELOPING to play a first-person RPG.

Fallout 3 is going to be amazing.

This fan made bullshit is going to be garbage… if it even gets finished. I’m willing to bet $500 that they won’t even release a full game.

First this will be the first Fallout that will share a pc and console release.

Second (i know im gonna be blasted for this) the grid system although good and entertaining back in the day is well a little whats the word im searching for oh i know, OUTDATED, and well if you wanna keep playing with it then pick up a copy of fallout tactics.

and last point im gonna make is that this collection of posts and fanboy hating on a new company buying fallout has lost sight of the original topic, in most cases any way which is that fans of the fallout franchise just want to get people to help with a tribute to a game that we all love an adore.

Just remember that and maybe thy will make a good product maybe not but before you start flinging hate there way just ask your self… Do I have the balls to try the same thing?

I say give bethesda a chance. They’re really good developers. And for those people who are just a hardcore gamer and not a developer you don’t know how hard it is to develope one.

Plus technology is evolutionary. The industry is shifting to realistic 3d games from 2d sprites. Pretty much the same from the vector graphics of the very first arcade machines to pixel graphics on the old times.

Plus you need to be creative. So let them exploit the game all they want as long as they keep the theme of the game.

Some people don’t like Bethesda’s style, and that’s fine. However, from seeing the Fallout 3 demo at E3, and chatting with people like Todd and Emil, I know that Bethesda’s got their heart in the right place. I’m looking forward to Fallout 3.

Besides, do you honestly thing that some randomly assembled group of users is going to be “true” to the Fallout series? They’re going to disagree as much over how the game should be built as everyone else.

The only facts that matter are these:

• Bethesda owns the Fallout IP (single-player)
• Whatever Bethesda decides Fallout is, is what it now is.
• Gamers will never agree with developers on the proper game design for their sacred franchises.

Heck, I don’t think Bethesda’s going in the right direction either. Yet even if these guys succeed, the end result will most likely suck. Hard. Design by committee nearly always results in disasters.

This is coming from a guy who posts on NMA, albeit with a different name.

By the way, keep in mind that this isn’t an “NMA” project, it’s one started by a bunch of random boobs. NMA just put up a news post about it when they were asked.

I can understand how people are upset that the isometric nature of the game is being changed. I can understand how some people would feel that the lack of obvious emphasis on the skill system would mean a shift, but I consider Fallout a more thematic sort of title. Not a mechanical title. The mechanics of the game mean less to me than the feel of the game world, story being told and emotional connection to the character.

I am afraid I don’t agree that “I don’t know what I’m talking about.” To me Fallout is about the Story. To Me it is about the SPECIAL system as well – which as you said is the focus of the isometric title and skill system. We basically agree on that point though you are accusing me of not getting that. What I saw in the demo was an adaptation of the SPECIAL System. Skill does play (from what I could see in the 1 hour demo) a very major part of how things work in the FO3 engine.

Oblivion is a skill based game as well. Adapting that framework is what Bethesda has stated they intend to do. Also I understand why they might choose to change the perspective for marketability and to enhance the storytelling aspects of their game.

Is this Fallout the same as the previous games? No. Definitely not. But I think far too many people are putting the cart before the horse on this. None of us have played it. None of us have hands on time with it. I prefer to be optimistic about the results. Does that invalidate my knowledge or respect for the original game? I don’t think so. Evolution is necessary in the market, this is a profit business and Bethesda is trying to leverage an IP in an evolved market to bring about another Fallout game. They want to grow the attraction, grow the audience and not just cater to slavish fanboys. I can respect that.

Does that mean I think they are doing everything the way I would? No. Would I like to play another Fallout game? Yes. Am I married to isometric play? No. I just want to great game that is fun to play and allows me to explore more of the universe established in the previous two titles.

This is not a Fallout game done by the original developers. This is a Fallout game built by professional developers with a long history of producing game I personally enjoy. Would this be the same approach Interplay would have taken had it truly survived? Who can say? I don’t see Chris Avelone commenting that this is a bad idea, but remember that Fallout 2 was actually developed by a different team than Fallout 1 and they had a very different approach which to this day divides the Fallout faithful.

I’m sorry you and I are on different conceptual paths on this but I respect your position.

In all truth, I can’t stand the freaks that started clogging the ES boards with their arguments like:

“OMG BETH SUX!”
“Your ruining fallout!!!!”
“Blah blah, Isometric is superior blah blah”

Or their intellectual defenses to a counterargument or an appeal to their sense of reason:

“Stop sucking Todd’s (censored).”
“How much is Beth paying you to say that?”
“Go play Oblivion and (censored)!!”

Not saying that there all like that, I’ve met some fallout fans that were nice, normal people with good social skills. The mutants however I hope their plan fails miserably and what few possessions they have in their mom’s basements, aka their “vaults”, are confiscated to pay for the legal fees after Beth rips them a new one. That’ll give those pessimistic freaks something to cry about. But, considering Beth’s track record you’d think they would be satisfied with them but they aren’t. You’d think that since they adults now that they would have grown out of this obsession. It’s sad.

Change can be a good thing and this is using an updated Oblivion engine.

I smell a lawsuit. I wish these guys luck though.